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norshvind · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 21

Paradise .5/1 limit. I'm in early position with AA. Before the flop I make it two bets, and it gets 3-bet out of a late position. I cap. The flop is AKJ rainbow. I flopped top set, but I'm not totally thrilled that there are three cards to Broadway out when five players took the flop. I decide to bet right out with top set. I don't want to give Broadway draws free cards, and if I'm up against it already, I will know pretty quick. Sure enough, it gets folded around, and the guy who 3-bet pre-flop 3-bets again. Now since he re-raised and called the capped bet pre flop, I have to give him credit for something better than QT. Maybe he had KK or QQ, in which case he was a big dog. I had absolutely no concern at all about him having the straight.

What scared me was the player to act immediately after him capped the flop. Now this guy came out of nowhere and made it four bets, he has to have the straight, or one off of it. By now the pot is big, and I just decide to throw good money after bad and hope I can either fill in by the river, or see the showdown as cheaply as possible. I just don't want to let go of that set of aces.

The turn was a T. Now I felt really screwed. I checked, hoping to only have to call one bet. My first oponent led out, the other guy raised, and like an idiot, I called two bets cold, only to have it 3-bet, and then capped. I was pretty sure by now that the guy who came out of left field must have had the straight, and if the original raiser had QQ, he now had the straight too.

By this time the pot was so big I felt compelled to call the turn and chase my full to the river. If I didn't fill in, I would fold unless it was only one more bet to call on the end. Of course, the turn didn't pair the board. I checked, and it came around two bets to me. I knew if I called, I would also have to call two more bets. Sure enough, the river was capped too making for a monster pot of over $25.

Well the guy who raised with me pre-flop turned over AKs for top two pair, the other guy who came raising out of nowhere on the flop mucked his cards! I felt like jumping out the goddamned window. I just threw away a 25BB pot. Man I f'd this one up, but good.

arcfinn · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 11

ya, thats a heartbreaker, but hey, hindsight 20/20.

What if you threw in your money and lost to the straight? would you be posting that you should've layed it down when you knew the guy had a straight?

Like some books say, bet aggressively with 3 of a kind UNLESS the board is scary, and in this case, it was.

chris · Joined: 13 Jan 2006 Posts: 20

Tough beat... but a set of Aces is the second nuts in that hand after the flop. I dont fault u for staying in for the turn.

After the turn... the 10 was really the scare card. This is the point where u should have either folded. Remember, all ur were doing at the river was chasing, hoping to bust everyone at the end. Granted, your opponents had crap at the end, but u are only playing .5/1, so i can see why those guys were betting like that. Since, u were in that far after the river card came, u should have just paid to see it.... considering POT ODDs.

Either way, those guys are idiots for betting like that.

pritz · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 19

Oh man....Things like this kill me too. I just can not get any kind of reads on psyco betters.

I think your lay-down was good. You will get them back when you have the nuts and they keep betting like that.

lork · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 18

I have a similar question, i had big pair, QQ i raise preflop, 5 or 6 people see flop, i'm in MP and everone checks to me on the A high flop, i bet, 2 callers, turn is blank, i check turn, and check river also, river was an A, button bets, blind calls.... i throw my pocket pair away thinking someone hasta have an A, they both had aboslute trash, something like Q4 K3, both their lower cards pair, so 2 pair A's and 4's take it down... should i have over-called one bet?

ballen · Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 14

I couldn't see folding queens in this situation. How much did they bet on the river?

lork · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 18

it was a limit game, 1 player had already called, there was an overcard and 4 babies, 3427

vincent · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 7

Keep in mind... strategy used by BOTH good players and bad players is playing second or third pair...

bad players play them passively... good players play them aggressively...

so I would have pushed hard with the Queens... realizing that if someone had the Aces... they would play back at your hard..

keep pushing until you meet resistance... checking when you did was a mistake... keep pushing, and if noone pushed back... they don't have the ace... then when the other ace comes... and someone suddenly bets... call them... if they have it..... congratulate them for slowplaying a great hand... and make a mental note of it... but no one gave you any indication that they had the ace early... keep pushing... you'll get valuable information... and win a lot of hands with second or third best pair...

vincent · Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 7

by the way... my response was to lork.

norshvind · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 21

Great!Lot has responded to my thread.Thanks guys.
I like the strategy of Vincent.They are almost the same as mine.